As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Doug S. Although Mick was not the same pitcher in NY that he was in Detroit, everyone seemed to like the guy. He had terrific stuff. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. Jay You can't trade Rusty Staub without instantly improving team speed". McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. His unbroken records are 2,679 strikeouts, 39 shutouts, 459 games started, 329 home runs allowed, and 10,000 doughnuts made! For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. Bob P Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. January 12, 2011 Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. (thankfully returning in '81). 2014 Topps 1977 75th Anniversary Buyback #565 Mickey Lolich: $1.97: 2014 Topps 1979 75th Anniversary Buyback #164 Mickey Lolich: $1.09: 2015 Topps 1966 Original Buyback #455 Mickey Lolich: $4.97: 2015 Topps 1976 Original Buyback #385 Mickey Lolich: $1.08: 2015 Topps 1977 Original Buyback #565 Mickey Lolich: $4.53 Man, those pitches were big ones. June 2, 2006 November 19, 2002 Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! Mike B August 11, 2015 Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. December 20, 2019 Really? Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. Donut Shoppe Patron October 19, 2011 November 10, 2002 Fact is Lolich was always overweight. No put-down of Mickey, but that teamed needed Staub much more than they needed another pitcher. October 4, 2006 As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. Doug S. July 15, 2016 I had never heard my mother get so angry at a Mets player. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. That's pretty good this day in age. May 8, 2003 I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. Over a thousand player transactions -- in chronological order! Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. The Mets traded the best player they ever had for a bunch of stiffs. He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. You can't be serious. Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. Cy McCaughna built this private resort on M24 near Heights Road in the late 1930s. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. (thankfully returning in '81). snook Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. That's pretty good this day in age. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. Baseball burnt him out. Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. September 29, 2007 LA-Mets I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. bob saunders That would make him a star in today's market. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. April 27, 2013 However, Mets management, in their infinite wisdom, wanted to trade Rusty Staub so badly, that they were willing to get anything in return, and actually had to go to great lengths to convince Lolich to come to the Mets. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Believe me if he pitched like the ace he was in Detroit no one here would have been so quick to criticize the trade. July 15, 2016 I remember when M. Donald Grant traded Staub for Lolich he explained it to disgusted NY sports fans by saying something like "the team needs more speed. senor ortiz Rusty played another decade. He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. John Bruce So he went from being the long-time Tiger Ace (and best Tiger- the 1968 World Series was won by him- and also almost the 1972 Playoffs) to just a nobody for New York- can you blame him for this back-stabbing trade by Tiger management? How many did he own? And complaining about how fat he was? Really? Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. 170 lbs.? But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? Mickey Lolich was one of the greatest left-handers of all-time, no matter his size or shape. December 20, 2019 In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. However, it baffled me why the '76 Mets, who had Seaver, Koosman and Matlack, would trade one of their best hitters and an every-day player (and they didn't have that many good hitters) for a fourth or fifth starting pitcher. Really? He believes the '84 Tigers will bring Detroit its first championship in 16 years. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. Mickey loved his Harley. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. =Chuck= Bartolo Colon etc). I still remember the Mets broadcast team trying to build him up in the eyes of the fans because he had been a Cy Young award winner. We are going all the way!" Dianna Jeanneh Jones Although I'd rather have a hitter like Rusty, you have to admit, Mickey Lolich's ERA was a very respectable 3.22. I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. Bob P Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. He pitched very good ball for you. GoMets2006 A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Lolich was a fine pitcher. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. Jim Snedeker A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. eddiek Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. Peter Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. 6'1", 170???? Joe Figliola He has been married to Joyce Fleenor since 21 November 1964. He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. Bob P October 4, 2006 Mickey was featured riding his motorcyle. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. Peter He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. December 20, 2019 April 23, 2003 (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. Raymond Malcuit Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. I still remember the Mets broadcast team trying to build him up in the eyes of the fans because he had been a Cy Young award winner. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. During those 18 years he autographed thousands of boxes of donuts. The fact of the matter is New York is a what have you done for me lately kind of city, and when Lolich came to the Mets he pitched like a nobody. April 30, 2009 etc. But dad could never pronounce his name right; he always called him "Yo-lich" no matter how many times we corrected him. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. November 19, 2002 He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. So why did you try to destroy the guy? So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. Bob P He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. Qty. support. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. April 23, 2003 Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. (thankfully returning in '81). May 6, 2003 July 15, 2016 body would be a pretty slender person. support. Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. ''I finally found out what really happens in the stands,'' he said. Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. Dianna Jeanneh Jones Jay Feat Fan Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. Shari November 3, 2006 Jamey Bumbalo But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. Mickey liked his doughnuts. April 27, 2013 I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. August 11, 2015 December 13, 2007 Even a STINK BARGE collected waste from outhouses. He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. He later resurfaced with the Padres. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. That's more realistic but generous, I think! Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. April 27, 2013 We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. 170 lbs.? Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. He also had a terrific arm and was a darn good fielder. He served up a home run, and my mother screamed "Lolich, you fat jerk, you stink!!!" Thanks for the memories, Mick! November 10, 2002 Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. November 19, 2002 Ron from Tampa December 20, 2019 Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? He pitched very good ball for you. feat fan So he was left to consider finer arts than boxing. Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. September 25, 2013 April 23, 2003 Lolich struck out more American League hitters than any other lefty in the history of baseball- that includes Randy Johnson, etc. He also hit a home run in Game Two of the Series and outpitched Denny "31 Win" McClain in the Series. And Rusty Staub? Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. Mickey loved his Harley. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. eddiek ''When people ask for me and the girls say I'm in the backroom, I can hear them saying 'Tell me another story.' Mickey was finished and Rusty still had about 8-10 years left, even though the last couple were solely as a pinch hitter. August 7, 2018 You can't be serious. Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? mets And Rusty Staub? - Now for the trade itself. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. support. Mike B His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. Ramblin' Pete He started 45 games and completed 29. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. Mr. Sparkle Mickey was featured riding his motorcyle. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! (thankfully returning in '81). Shickhaus Franks The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. - Now for the trade itself. Did you boo him or make fun out of him? But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. senor ortiz Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. Anybody remember how Rusty looked those last few years in New York? 170 lbs.? Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. Lolich was giving one of his typical awful performances in a Mets uniform. And Rusty Staub? They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. May 25, 2001 Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. December 13, 2007 eddiek Really? Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. October 18, 2008 January 12, 2011 body would be a pretty slender person. Lolich for Staub---it might be the fattest trade in major league history. April 30, 2009 Bartolo Colon etc). April 27, 2013 Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. January 12, 2011 With the success of the SpaceX Crew Dragon launch did you know NASA had a Lake Orion graduate as one of their astronauts? ", At 51, he has the same affable smile and, yes, the same potbelly. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Bartolo Colon etc). But dad could never pronounce his name right; he always called him "Yo-lich" no matter how many times we corrected him. October 19, 2011 July 15, 2016 In his first three seasons, he compiled a 17-29 record in 82 games. bogeyman Although Mick was not the same pitcher in NY that he was in Detroit, everyone seemed to like the guy. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. bogeyman Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. Cut him some slack. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. - Now for the trade itself. May 6, 2003 He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. November 10, 2002 Mike B I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. He started 45 games and completed 29. Bob P Lolich said. support. Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. - Now for the trade itself. No put-down of Mickey, but that teamed needed Staub much more than they needed another pitcher. October 4, 2006 Jim Snedeker But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. That would make him a star in today's market. 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