Rurik Rurikid, Petty King of Holmgarr in 867, is the historical founder of the Russian Empire. This discussion is purely about game mechanics. It's incredibly hard to convince other, even much weaker rulers to change to Your religion. Pretty useless outside india but with gavelkind sucession you can have a demesene of twenty counties. That deserves recognition. Hinduism is solid with the early Holy Order, morale buff, patron deities and raiding but they lack any inheritance/realm management perks. Crusader Kings II. To get Yourself venerated not only You need to give away Your temporal title (if You took it), it also makes You want to take some of the more questionable traits like "Craven" for Unyielding. Once your a blob as the Roman Empire, you can stamp out any realm only with retinues/holy order and need not raise vassal levies, making civilized doctrine kind of useless). You hardly get Short year penalty with Imperial succession. The only issue is there is a bug (Snow Crystal pretty much confirmed it's a bug) such that the religious head can never be venerated. The resulting empty holding slots further strengthens the horde. The strongest position for the faith is at the 867 bookmark, where the Tibetan Empire has fractured and Bn kings of Guge & -Tsang hold large areas of the Tibetan plateau under their control. The Short Reign relations modifier is three times more severe for pagans. Dawnbreakers is underrated as a way to practice eugenics when combined with meritocracy. Any tribal leader, whose religion is pagan unreformed, neighbouring a realm whose leader's religion is organized - e.g. When you finally select to reform the religion, you will have to choose from many Natures and Doctrines which ones will represent you. Defensive pagan holdings also have larger garrisons (bonus varies per religion), making them harder to siege. You can take Temporal with AV. Also you can give away the title, the best way would probably be as a viceroyalty. Holding the Blood Games in the Grand Amphitheater grants an additional 200 Prestige. Expect frequent raids and wars between realms that accept the new faith and those that reject it. AI rulers are less likely to start wars, plots and factions. Access to Hermetic society. So if you like seeing dukes in the middle of other kingdoms take distant kingdoms and break out of their vassal king resulting in non stop dejure wars and infighting, then sure prepared invasions are for you (masochist). The other pagan faiths have a duke-level religious leader who becomes a vassal of the reforming ruler, similar to the Orthodox religion's patriarch. Once your account is created, you'll be logged-in to this account. Though, Unyielding isnt perfect. Holy wars and great holy wars are unavailable, but County Conquest CB is available. If there is levy size & attack bonus from unreformed religion or morale bonus from Animistic doctrine in the first doctrine slot, it is lost. Toggle signature. Is AV and Temporal actually working in conjunction for you or you just marrying into the saints' lines? Table View Card View . Tier 1: No changes here from previous list. (Especially after mass conversions.). Basically we attack opposite gender ruler, depose him/her and force our gender law on their realm. Rulers lose prestige when at peace for too long. Bear in mind that in 1066, Novgorod is Christian, and the Rurikid dynasty which holds it has multiple potential allies from other dynasty members. I have received few private messages and some even answered to the thread when the post was very old. Blood sacrifices is super fun, esp. The opinion bonus and extra piety is always useful, which translates into a more stable realm. Pagans can grant themselves divorces at will, but with a significant cash payment for the divorce and a -30 relation penalty to the divorcee's family. Aztec religion only appears in-game if Sunset Invasion DLC is in use. We also get your email address to automatically create an account for you in our website. Cairo is distant and usually controlled by major Muslim powers. I've played as African pagan a lot since HF dropped and I'd never ever take TG over AV. Stability removes short reign penalty, which was not a problem for me ever. I've gained several kingdoms w/o trying to; I was just trying to get their bloodlines in my main line. Holy Fury Pagan Reformation Tier List & Discussion, Holy Ghost Spirit isnt being talked about enough, Both my character and Christianity are based. If we pick it as germanic, tengri or aztec we will lose any troop bonus that we couldve inherited from unreformed religion. Reformer picks two doctrines. No females in the council. I haven't tried Perun+Daring, I wonder if it would give pirate trait. If there is levy size & attack bonus from unreformed religion, it is lost. My first choice was Unyielding, Harmonious (Meritocracy + Equality), Stability, and Hierocratic. Tax on subjects of different religious group is allowed. No male in the council. I used it in my game Tengri Horde Jurchen Reformed Bon Chinese Empire and just dominated silk road. Ancestor worship, animism and totemistic shamanism dominate, but there are also various pantheons of gods. No penalty for female rulers. Allows building the Sacrificial Altar feature of Great Temple, Great Stone Circle, Aztec Pyramid and Stonehenge, as well as the Grand Amphitheater. I can't disagree strongly enough with this. Which religion is best? Eldership succession law is allowed. They then become the "Reformed" version. Reformer gets a powerful artifact. Out of all the Succession Doctrines, Meritocracy is probably the safest. Ruler does not receive opinion penalties for raised vassal levies. As such, it is best used when the player is ready for their nation to "mature" from aggressive expansion against small targets to needing to maintain an empire. Male pagan rulers may take up to three concubines in addition to a wife (except for Hellenic pagans who cannot have multiple spouses or concubines unless the polygamy doctrine is chosen when reforming). Defining features in-game: Low-tech non-pagans have very low Supply Limit in Pagan counties. The love of battle among these pagans means that rulers incur no relation penalty with their vassals for having troops raised. All holders of holdings do not have to be Muslim for this tax to apply the top ruler being it is enghout. Medieval Dynasty: How to Make a Rabbit Trap, Medieval Dynasty: Can you become King? Some Religions (Germanic) keep +30% Levies when they reform and will only loose it through unyielding. The Slavic faith is followed, as the name suggests, by the Slavic peoples of Europe. It's hard for me to rate a largely RNG mechanic highly. If that bloodline gets passed down it's a great way to boost up prestige in the early reign of your descendants. Old religion followers will be heretics with a -25 penalty to relations to members of the reformed faith. It may not display this or other websites correctly. However, the Tengri faith does not die out during the entire period of the game and there are always relatively strong rulers for it in the game. The unique traits of Autonomous are not that great, and GHWs are a must against large realms like the Ere. As I said, civilized isnt good for Roman emperor as he is locked into imperial elective, and lets be honest, if we are reforming hellenic religion then we are 99% roman emperor, Problem, realize that I'm a couple months late, but stability is a doctrine, not a nature, sorry, that's bugging me, "I changed my mind about divine marriage doctrine, it actually allows us to breed new bloodlines fairly easy into our dynasty.". Meritocracy seems like the best non unique doctrine to me. As I try to have everyone with duchy and above titles be of my dynasty I have one save where I have 1000+ opinion just from veneration. Penalty to moral authority (-15%) and to mission. Feudal unreformed pagans typically use gavelkind succession. Nature: Unyielding sounds good on paper, but if you plan on having a large realm I'm not sure it's great because it takes a long time for counties to change to your religion. When the religion is reformed, rulers of the faith may choose to accept or reject the new order of things. +15 vassal opinion. Havent seen many posts about reforming the Bon religion. Also without Proselytizing my own vassals never bothered to spread their own religion. Disagree. It has synergy with enatic/agnatic or meritocracy, after 9 successful boosts for close family relative we get a bloodline. Ive heard it is currently bugged. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. No females in the council. I might make a post in the future on how I think all the religions and doctrines could be improved/fixed to make them viable for both Fun and Power, but Ive written enough for now. They must switch to elective gavelkind if they wish to declare Subjugation or Tribal Invasion wars. Check out other interesting CK2 guides and articles: CK2 (Crusader Kings II): Immortality Event ID and Guide|CK2 (Crusader Kings II): Strange Chest Item and Event Results|CK2 (Crusader Kings II): Retinues Guide. Animistic effects. Our domain can only grow overtime and we can develop our provinces without fear of it being lost to gavelkind. If there is levy size & attack bonus from unreformed religion or morale bonus from Animistic doctrine in first doctrine slot, it is lost. Jainism without doubt. For Power, Divine Marriage is average. Sacrificing prisoners unlocks special traits, actions, and a bloodline that grants Prestige for sacrifices as well. Only if I could mark "Helpful" multiple times Is making your concubine who was a "raid-captured daughter of enemy duke" your vassal queen, and then murdering her an exploit? I wish it was more interactive (e.g. Agnatic, stability are very safe options, but with the ship tech boost i always manage to kidnap one of "Niall of the 9 hostages" bloodline carrier, then incorporate tanistry after 2 gens into my empire. I find one of the most boring parts of Pagan games is that theres no other friendly or same religion nations, pagan games often end up just being your country vs the world in holy wars. Harmonious expands our pool of talent but makes it harder to stack bloodlines due to disallowed cousin incest. Intermarry Buddhist, Zoroastrian group. All rights reserved. (Hellenic religion lacks concubines), You can't declare holy wars if You have the peaceful doctrine. Enatic clans is still good because vassal duchies wont merge every generation but they're infinitely worse than agnatic clans. With the exception of the reformed Germanic religion, the faith will also immediately gain a holy order. Even as Catholic I would land my kin (I tried to do that as Muslim and learned the hard way via decadence revolts to never do it again). With Holy Fury, Zunists can raid after reformation, as long as the reformed faith does not have the Peaceful nature. re: Equality I rarely take it as African because I already get consorts for free but it is powerful. Historically, the pagan faiths were gradually supplanted by Christianity, Islam, Dharmic religions, and Eastern religions, but this does not necessarily happen in the game. Depending on the spread of the faith before reformation, heresy may or may not become a major issue. However, all the random events based on traits (which drop relations by 15 for those without and raise by 15 for those with the trait) are the same, along with the end bonus of 100 piety and prestige and +15 to vassal relations for one year. Only disadvantage is that AI rulers will never convert counties but you can do that yourself). Members; . However, a religion can only have one "unit modifier", so offensive pagans will lose levy size and other bonuses if they select a reformation feature that adds a competing "unit modifier". By doing a Pagan Reformation, the player decides to change the way their religion works for their CK2 playthrough. Ancestor Worship decision available. Priests cannot marry and cannot inherit. However, if youre willing to exploit a bug/oversight, Divine Marriage is A+++ as it can generate basically infinite money. I like equality. - Discussion. Note that Germanic pagans have as a holy site the county of Braunschweig, and taking that county will trigger the Catholic crusades (as well as the formation of every Catholic Holy Order but the Knights Templar) at the time that you take Braunschweig, so long as the year is 900 and the province is Christian. You get a 30+ opinion bonus with the dynasty you venerated. Rulers can choose to gain sympathy with another faith by decisions. If the last two holy sites are difficult to reach, the best way to obtain the necessary moral authority is through county conquests and raids. Stability is useless without Eldership law. JavaScript is disabled. Also, your heir will very often be past childbearing age by the time they take the throne which, combined with the fertility debuff for unlanded characters is recipe for trouble and at best costs you the genius traits in many generations. If dawnbreakers would have divine marriage paired with something else than polygamy it would be tier 1. This gives me some new options to consider. With the Holy Fury expansion, requirements for reformation remain unchanged, but the player may select four "traits" for religion, which affects the set of available mechanics for the religion and provides various bonuses. It has its downsides because it makes AI more aggressive and incompetent AI can tank our MA very hard. As I said in OP, if you are Roman Emperor you cannot designate heir for your top tittle. Reforming a pagan faith establishes a formal religious hierarchy and scripture - adapting elements of the Abrahamic faiths in order to more effectively oppose them. Is it really cheesy/gamey though? Patron Deities, Ancestor Worship. AI rulers are less likely to start wars, plots and factions. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. In early start dates Kiev is vulnerable to Tengri nomads (it borders the Magyars), so you may find that fabricating a claim to conquer Rugen is an easier way to get your third holy site. Crusader Kings is a historical grand strategy / RPG video game series for PC, Mac, Linux, PlayStation 5 & Xbox Series X|S developed & published by Paradox Interactive. Crusader Kings II. Gurus. The only issue is there is a bug (Snow Crystal pretty much confirmed it's a bug). Most pagans may raid neighboring provinces (and coastal provinces, if ships are available) for loot and prestige, even without a tribal government (which majority of the pagans are). With it, You can just forget about any problems during succession. There is a trait that gives u another +5 same religion opinion. ( But Imperial Succession is nearly same as heir designation so you may want to pick the Religious tax doctrine to get tons of cash. The Orthodox Pentarchy is also fun. Incompatible with Sons Of Ragnarok and Invaders doctrines. Foreign rulers will sometimes send missionaries. Unyielding is a must for small Pagan surrounded by powerful Abrahamic realms. For best run: The High Chieftess of Kiev in 769 reforming Slavic to be Enatic Clans is a stupidly fun run that I've been doing a lot of. AI rulers are more aggressive.AI rulers only convert same-group provinces and only when zealous JavaScript is disabled. If someone used it with success please advocate this nature in comments. Possibility for a woman to take consorts is disallowed even if other traits should unlock it. If you have tribal government, it is recommended to choose either Agnatic Clans or Enatic Clans doctrine to avoid Gavelkind succession law. Rulers who are neither at war, nor raiding, nor bound by an active truce lose a significant amount of prestige per month. Unlocks divine marriage, allowing and encouraging incestuous marriages. Eternal Raiders will take away bonus for levy and light cavalry and give us 10% bonus attack for all our troops, don't know if its fair exchange, I will do maths later, and as I said polygamy just sucks and is a prestige drain, on top of that now tribals with polygamy mechanic (muslims and reformed pagans with polygamy) will use wife mechanics instead of concubines. Tengri and Aztec pagans do not have defensive attrition (though Tengri invaders can ignore it). It's included in Children of Perun and Survivors of Ukko btw. When you choose to play as a pagan ruler in CK2, you accept that there might be some problems (succession, levies, conversions) along the way that come with the advantages. It basically removes any fear of a succession crisis ever again, and Enatic gets the slight edge by basically giving you a free subjugation/crusade option on pretty much any leader in the game due to the rarity of female rulers in general. Each one can only occur at a certain, and different, time each year. Despite similarities between autonomous reformed paganism and Dharmic religions (followers of both has religious branch trait), the former still needs to deal with heresy (old pagan religion), while the latter has no heresies. Example: Your sister matri marries some guy from Ashina dynasty, they have a daughter for example, all you have to do is to matri marry her to your male heir. Prisoners of different religions can be sacrificed for Piety. The reformed Pagan religions are usually pretty nice. Ruler do not receive opinion penalties for raised vassal levies. Fleet can navigate through major rivers, but maintenance cost remains full. Youre all but guaranteed the successor you want, and unlike Open succession you dont have to worry about your AI heir doing stupid things when you land them. Eldership Succession law is available, Bloodthirsty Gods + Seabound + Unrelenting, Rulers do not receive opinion penalties for raised vassal levies + Syncretism + Meritocracy. For example, the average/casual player is probably not going be aggressively bloodline stacking. First two cancel themselves if they are picked together. Equality can be achieved with enough tech by the year 950+ . B. Doctrine 1: Polygamy: To make best use of Imperial Succession, having loads of wives is good as you can pick the best heir one of them pops out. And the Indian religions. Agnatic, agnatic-cognatic, cognatic laws are restricted. As I recall stability+astrology also has a synergy where you get to boost your heir at birth. Access to Hermetic society. AI looters prefer coastal counties. it isnt meant to be celtic pagan or any pagan religion in particular. Christianity, Islam, Eastern religions, reformed pagan faith, etc. I admit I have not played Hellenic yet but it sounds awesome to me. Pagans follow the old polytheistic traditions, spurning the Abrahamic and Indian religions' talk of a segregation between physical and spiritual realms in favor of polytheistic physical gods. Stability is in fact quite helpful and has nice synergies, but I wouldn't pick it standalone. You must log in or register to reply here. And raised levies opinion penalty only really counts if you are at war all the time. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Can proselytize in pagan capital even when tribal or nomad. Its full potential is available when we are huge feudal empire and rely more on our vassal levies. +1 piety per month while at peace. Best one in the loser tier. Ancestor Worship decision available. Uuugghhh. Unyielding also reduces AI aggressiveness, which can be a negative if you want your AI vassals to attack/invade your enemies for you. ), creating negative synergy (though you can combine Unyielding with Animistic but dont cause Animistic is awful). However, the longer the faith goes unreformed, the weaker it becomes. I always found piety to be very uselful here, excommunication is a very powerful tool if you use it strategically. The faith is widespread in early starting dates, and some of the realms, such as Croatia, are already feudal rather than tribal. 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